First Let me start with a couple disclaimers:
This is my interpretations
of 6th Edition, the Space Marine Codex, and Bike Armies as a whole
13 games in, including several Nova Qualifier / Beta games.. I am 8-3-2 using pure
codex SM, BA, and also SM’s with IG / BA Allies.
I welcome 6th,
I like change! The challenge of adapting to new rules, the introduction of new
tactics, all have me excited. I have mixed feelings however on Bikes in 6th.
Second a unit breakdown highlighting the major changes
and what I have seen.
To keep it brief I am summing up what I have experienced and
if you want details justifying my position post and I will respond.
Landspeeder:
Moderate decrease in survivability; 5+ Jinx save is outweighed
by hull points. Previously in 5th light arms fire or a poor penetration would
result in a stun or immobilization which would have little effect. Two Bolter
glances making it through now kills the model.
Landspeeder
Storm:
This breaks my heart; CRIPPLING decrease in survivability;
Now nearly useless with no first turn and reserve assaults. Due to the low threat commonly in 5th
small arms would target it, infrequently heavy weapons, and glances / low rolls
penetrations would in the end mean nothing. Paired with open topped and the new table they
(I used two to three) they were one hit killed in every game I used them in.
Attack Bike
Squad:
Marked increase in usefulness and durability with base
toughness 5. Paired with outflanking and +2 on the table from Melta weapon they
are a cheap and exceptions replacement for the failing LandSpeers.
Scout Bike
Squad:
CRIPPLING decrease in usefulness and survivability; No outflank or first turn assaults. NO SCOUT
TURBO-BOOST. Turbo-Boost save decreased to a 4+. IMHO way too expensive for a
screening unit (often debated in 5th).
Vindicator:
Significant increase in usefulness; With the rise of
terminators both as allies and core and the major change in blast templates I
think they are very worthwhile.
Thunderfire
Cannon:
My Pride and joy has received both a major boon and a
serious Achilles’ Heel. Given two wounds and toughness 7 in 6th, vs standard incoming fire
it is much more survivable. Wounding even the Techmarine is much more difficult
now ! However poisoned attacks now threaten it (vs having a 66% chance of being
ignored), making the weight of fire from DE army a threat like never before.
Two other things to note… First the change in blast temples make it a serious
threat to light vehicles. Second there was major change in how blast templates
were placed (Compare the rules and photos) resulting in it being much harder to
hit more than two models unless tightly packed.
Dreadnoughts:
As good as before if not better than before, Glances only
matter with the 3rd and they are critical (DakkaDakka) anti-flyer
support
Terminators:
Serious Improvement in durability, I mean read the
interwebs!
Space Marine Captain
on Bike:
Overpriced, (Compare to Coteaz for example) under
powered. See Space Marine Bike Entry.
Khan:
SERIOUSLY Overpriced, and received a major blow to his usefulness.
The change in power weapons (Khan’s is clearly a special power SWORD) renders
him nearly worthless vs Terminators. The Change to outflanking assaults
cripples the build. Loss of Init bonus for Furious charge greatly impacts the
order of attacks weakening assaults in support of Space Marine Bike Squads. The
Lack of Skilled Rider (Come on, really!!?!), which would help balance the
multiple nerf bat blows, reinforces my impression his multiple faults.
Additional notes see Space Marine Bike Entry.
Close Combat
Scouts:
See Landspeeder Storm / Scout Bikes
Scout Snipers:
Especially with Telion, they are much more impressive
now. The ability to pick out special weapons is exceptionally helpful.
Space Marine
Bikes:
Significant Decrease is usefulness. Decrease in
survivability not outweighed by Jinx IMHO. Focused Fire removes a common tactic
of shielding Bikes by placing some in cover. Removal of Closest first means
Melta / Plasma gets snipped out early and often. The Inability to hold multiple
objectives hurts the ability to win objective based games due to low scoring
unit count / high cost of bikes. The Disorganized assault change hurts their
ability to multi-assault. Inability to
assault after outflanking reduces the ability to get “stuck in” and survive.
Reduction in cover save from Turbo-Boosting reduces longevity. Finally the
change to combat squads cripples their flexibility. Weaker in assault. I could
go on, but I will let you discover more.
Third, Tactical thoughts from the games.
Aegis Defense Line w/ Quan-Gun:
4+ Cover for all behind it, and critical interception
shots on flyers. It suffers from the same weakness and strengths as the TFC. Assuming
this and the Bastion go over well at the Nova I think it’s a safe bet we will
see this introduced into common use in the tournament circuit. I think it should be included in all lists,
especially over 1750.
Allies:
Becoming a bigger fan as it helps balance “some” weakness
in the SM book. Solo Codex still has a lot of power however, but has dropped a
tier on the ladder of potency.
Final Thoughts…
As much as I love Bikes I am leaning more and more to
their retirement from common tournament play. For 310 points (9 man, M+M+MM+PF)
you can buy a nearly unbreakable IG Blob Squad that will outshoot, out contest
and destroy the Bikes in close combat. The addition of a new Codex (Dark Angels
maybe???) reducing the cost of bikes or introducing new special characters with
Stealth, Skilled Rider or a new special rule might also breath life back into
Space Marine Bikes.
Interesting read, Dameon. I definitely like 6th a lot better than 5th and it's neat to see how things have changed. Sad that they've made some unit unplayable (Storms, etc). I've only played one game, but it seems they have gotten rid of the silly little tricks people used to do to extend cover saves. Though there are tons of tricks they added too. LOSARGH! for example. We need to ban that rule.
ReplyDeleteNext Friday, having a go at a "narrative game" which should hopefully be post to my blog by the following Monday...see ya.
"but it seems they have gotten rid of the silly little tricks people used to do to extend cover saves." Ccover saves seem easier to get in 6th, but in general watered down to a 5+... Not sure what your refering to however.
ReplyDeleteWhy Ban Look out sir?
Good luck in your game
A trick we tau players would do is this:
ReplyDeleteTake a unit of X amount of kroot. I usually took 13 or so. Put 8 of them in cover, preferably woods. Then string the rest out in a line. Then put other infantry units behind them, also getting cover. So you've extended the cover out to give cover, possibly for your whole army. I did this often.
Now, the enemy can just focus fire on the kroot out of cover (they get no cover saves), then target the juicy guys behind them after the cover-providing kroot are dead.
Looks like the sun has finally set on the competitive bike army. Or one with scoring bikes anyway. I still use the one off bike unit (like the eldar one at Mike's last weekend). With my 10 games or so in 6th I must say a bike without Skilled Rider is pretty much not worth taking. They just die to easy.
ReplyDeleteSo hopefully when the DA codex comes out a all/mostly bike army will be viable again.
@Jeff,
ReplyDeleteI agree, and was surprised, Khan, Master of the Ravenwing etc didn't get it in the FAQ released for 6th..
BTW any other thoughts using your Eldar bikes?
It would be nice to put my 18 Ravenwing bikes to good use. Here's to hoping.
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